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the day before easter. i'm jon scott. thank you for watching. have a happy easter and a happy going on. there is no doubt about that. but this connection, the passover to our viewers. accusation that donald trump was having something to do with it.that he was part of a conspiracy. is this accusation that got the whole thing started.we know now, not from robert mueller but from devin nunes and others, who have looked into this, that there were a bunch of people kind of pushing the idea. that there was a trump/russia conspiracy. >> hello america, i am mark the intelligence and law enforcement agency in the levin. united states kind of got carried away with it. this is life, liberty and and by january, of 2017, just levin. two weeks before the president is sworn in, he is the we have byron york with us. president-elect. moses has spoken, he came down from mount sinai. you have the director of the fbi, a 1 to 1 briefing with the president-elect telling him we he handed us not to tablets but over 400 pages. know about you and hostages in moscow. i mean crazy stuff. after the report, volume 1, this half right here, the
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and basically, democrats who do have a huge media advantage were able to leverage this. and in kind of a big controversy and something that ultimately became almost a frenzy and in may 2017, you president of the united states, donald trump, trump campaign, have what i think we've seen the trump white house. is not colluding with the russians. happen before. which is, top officials in the in fact, no one was colluding with the russians. not a single american he says. justice department just tell me, why do we need 200 pages to tell us that? and moreover, how do we get panicked. and appointed a special involved in an investigation prosecutor. that in the end turned out to be nothing? rod rosenstein in this case >> well, when this report came out, i thought about something that happened just a couple of appointed robert mueller, the special prosecutor. i think we saw years ago the weeks ago. the president went to capitol hill and met with republicans. cia leak case and think a wide ranging conversation. number of your viewers might remember that. that is when there was this but when it turned to the trump idea that the bush administration, george w. bush white house had exposed, blown / russia investigation by a present referred to it as, two years of bs. the cover of the cia spy, you he used the whole word. had some people involved like and i think the mueller report confirms that that is really true. it started with a very serious accusation.
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charles schumer screaming that leveled by democrats against there must be a special the trump campaign. that the trump campaign had prosecutor. and the justice department kind of panicked and they pointed one and it led to a multiyear conspired with russia to try and fix the election. investigation.and we found out later that they knew the very beginning, who had leaked remember we were in uncharted territory and 2016. this name. >> i want to unravel some of i remember going to the this for you. no collusion. essentially being ignored by democratic convention and we much of the media. were getting news reports of these emails from the dnc that selling some discord between the hillary campaign and the cnn, msnbc, new york times, the rest of them. it is a big deal.the president said from day one bernie campaign. and then later in the year, there is no collusion. people around him said from day one, there is no collusion. and yet, the top echelon of the fbi, part of the department of justice, you had former intelligence chiefs, brendan -- brennan and klapper. he was called treasonous, he was called a spy, all of these
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things. and not just by pedestrians. by people who served in the obama administration. you had an interview with andrew mccabe on 60 minutes. where he thought, he assumed, claimed, that the president of the united states was all clogged up with the russians. they were talking about the 25th amendment. they were talking about what they were going to do about it. and you have a fisa warrant issued on the part of the dossier of an opposition campaign. the obama government, federal law enforcement, federal intelligence, aspects of it, all geared up on collision. there is no collusion. are any of them going to be held to account? the democrats in the house have no interest in this anymore. they've moved on to part two of the report which we will get to later. this is the worlds biggest nevermind. it is astonishing. first of all, we have known this for quite a long time.
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that there was no collusion. that robert mueller was not going to allege it because we saw robert mueller really did not leak very much. but he did charge people. he indicted people, he got guilty pleas. big figure after big figure, paul manafort, rick gates, michael flynn, george papadopoulos, cohen and others and charge them with various things like paul manafort, basically not for paying taxes years earlier. and the others, some be charged with lying to fbi investigators. but he never alleged that there was a conspiracy or coordination between the trump campaign and moscow. and you are thinking, if paul manafort, if there was this -- paul manafort was not involved, who was colluding here? so it is something that people
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in the press should have been able to see this whole time. so it is not really a mistake. i was talking to john dowd, the president's lawyer, from right after the appointment robert mueller until march 2018. and he felt that by christmas, of 2017, that robert mueller had pretty much established that there was no collusion. mark: let me stop you there, that's a big deal. >> yes. mark: that is over a year ago. almost a year and 1/2. so why did robert mueller wait? >> is a great question. mark: why did robert mueller wait to issue the report? why did he go to a microphone, which you could have, and announce the american people that from the deputy attorney general of the time, that there's no collusion. rather than all this cloud
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hanging over the president. why did he wait? >> go question. remember that december 2017, there were new stories that the white house kind of expected this would maybe be over very soon. that was because he knew that mueller had not established collusion. so what happens? what is it going? mueller begins to chase his whole obstruction theory. and the obstruction theory is based on whatever's trumps state of mind is. so a questioning of donald trump himself becomes a huge deal. >> let me stop you. he knows pretty much no collusion. now he's focused on obstruction, focused on obstruction and give false statements of the present. twist them, maybe get perjury of the present may beast flat out obstruction. may be accused of being a spy among other things. why would robert mueller pursue that rather than close it down? >> was baffling about this is, you can say that maybe was the 13 a democrats or 17 angry
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democrats, that is his staff pushing him. but it is absolutely baffling. especially in light of the fact that the white house cooperated to an extraordinary degree with this. they offered all the white house staff that marla wanted to talk to -- that mueller wants to talk to. by the way did not go to a grand jury, they just went to his office and answer questions. so we heard a lot about rule 6c and grand jury material and secret, it didn't apply to anything that the white house staff told. they also handed over millions and millions of documents. so this is happening under the surface at the time that the president does call the investigation a witchhunt. he talks about the angry democrats. he says it is a hoax. but underneath the surface, he is cooperating and sending
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everything over there. and he thinks that that is going to convince mueller that he is cooperative, he is open and transparent and that once this conclusion is reached, that there was no collusion and the whole thing can go away. when he didn't count on was that mueller will get caught up in this obstruction frenzy. >> is obvious the president and his team saw this. as a dangerous possibility. >> yes. >> because they refused. the president wasn't going to be interviewed. by mueller. now mueller could have issued a subpoena. and try and force the president to come before a federal grand jury. he could have tested his powers. i argued it wouldn't have flown. no federal court would have agreed to that. certainly not the supreme court because he didn't have the necessary predicate to be
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interviewing the president. the second part of the report, volume 2. which the focused on, rejected volume 1. which is the collision which is what they charged to begin with. so i want to address this very thoroughly. the president of the united states doesn't agree to be questioned. and shouldn't have. agrees to answer questions in writing. but it says a lot and what mueller says in his report is, we are near the end of our investigation. this could have been a long period of litigation. we wanted to wrap up but we pretty much had everything we wanted anyway. excuse me? you pretty much had everything you wanted anyway? and you make a big deal interviewing the president in person and you know there is no collusion? how do you explain that? >> are out to get into the weeds a little bit to show the extent of corporation. when trump meetings weird
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mcgann was involved. there were a lot of them. other officials as well. mcgann is there. and the chief of staff of mcgann is also there. >> will continue this and i want to get into the weeds will return. do not forget to watch levin t.v. weakness. you can call us or go online. we will be right back. as a financial advisor, i tell my clients not to worry about changing their minds in retirement. you may have always imagined your dream car as something fast. then one day you decide it just needs to be safe enough to get her to college and back. principal. we can help you plan for that. or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream.
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extraordinary for which the president gets no credit whatsoever. >> absolutely extraordinary. example i was going to give is that don mcgahn was the white house counsel. and his chief of staff was a woman named annie donaldson. so when mcgann was in oval office with the present one-on-one with several other officials, annie donaldson was there taking detailed notes about what the president said and what he did and what other people said. and if annie donaldson was not in a meeting, mcgann will go back to his office and dictate to her almost in real time, with the president has said to keep a record of all of this. if anything would be covered by privilege, this would be it. and the president handed all of those notes over to robert mueller. john dowd told me would take you 15 hours to read through annie donaldson' notes. there was an agreement between
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the president and robert mueller. the agreement was, where both the executive branch. and i'll hand you this, i will give you this information. i will not claim privilege but if you use it in some other way, to make a public for example, you need my approval. when the time came to write the report, it was filled with information. that came from things the president gave robert mueller per the president did not claim any privilege over it. it is really an extraordinary act. all of the media coverage is focused on the fact that donald trump did not do an in person interview with robert mueller. and ignores the fact of this incredible almost historic level of cooperation. >> which is exactly why robert mueller didn't even try, anything fancy. like you could hear his legal analyst on t.v. talking about what it could bring, seek an indictment, get it?
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sealed, and then when it's over, i see. robert mueller wouldn't do that either because it wouldn't work. in other words, the point is, he didn't have a case. and he's upset he couldn't interview trump because he was done with collusion but he wanted to get -- vehicle through all of this, take a job at this hire the people he hired, very partisan staff anyway you measure pretty to care what they thought about the staff, and write a report about this run for the house of representatives and the democrats and not want more than i'm sorry, there's no collusion, we have a few guys on tax cheating and false statements. >> but his weak spot was always from the first until now, the fact that there was no collusion. there was no underlying crimes. cable t.v. spent hours and hours and days and days talk
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about whether robert mueller would subpoena the president. it was his whole thing, they will be a court battle, we did know what way would go. and mueller didn't do it. in his report he says we could have. we really could have done that but in fact, the two things argument against it were, extensive corporation we just talked about. which was robert mueller and other was a funny what was on the presidents mind in real time. from those notes.and two he didn't have a crime he could cite that would be committed that he needed the presidents testimony. he does not have a strong hand and that is why he didn't try to subpoena the president. but in being thoroughly forthcoming, and with no president has been, with robert mueller. and by the way the case of clinton, he committed crimes. in the case of nixon, he committed crimes. this president said, i have
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done nothing. look at whatever you want. and in doing that, and defending himself and working with prosecutors office, he is expose himself to rigid, vile media and political attacks. throughout the week they have been mocking what people have said because of the notes and because of the testimony. you have jerrold nadler and others looking information that they otherwise would not even have. but for this investigation and for the president's corporation. as the case against him 2020, use it as opposition research or try somehow to fit in the impeachment clause of the constitution of the united states. on one hand he is defend himself against a legal matter. and the other hand he is a political problem. it is not why mueller wrote what he wrote in volume 2? he says i can exonerate him. first of all, as we know, prosecutors don't exonerate
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anybody. it's a prosecutor. so that raises questions. >> it does. >> what do you make of it? >> one, if you talk to a prosecutor and say lester said you investigated somebody for two years. some criminal activity and at the end you decided not to charge the person. with any crime, do you then send a letter of exoneration to them? telling them at they have a clean bill of health? that's not the way it operates. you just don't charge them and that is pretty much it. was mueller actually writing a report for congress? member back in the old independent counsel law, you are an expert on the law, actually the morrison versus olson case. in which one person says law is really bad. it was antonin scalia. i don't member the exact quote - but he said it just kind of reeks of threatened impeachment.
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that's really what it's about. and that's what this is about. and believe me the report says it is a wolf involves clothing. [laughter] we miss them, don't we? >> this is providing information that the house judiciary committee headed by the aforementioned, jerry nadler could use if they choose to pursue impeachment. >> why come back, i want to talk about impeachment. i want to talk about what the constitution provides. and i want to ask among other things. if the democrats in the house now that they have the house, been using impeachment is almost a method to blackmail the president of the united states in some respects.more when we come back. we don't follow the naysayers. ♪ ♪
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conventional wisdom says you can't make a 400 horsepower sedan, that's also environmentally conscious. we don't follow conventional wisdom. ♪ ♪ >> live from "america's news headquarters" i am jon scott. a summer day in colorado as a community marks 20 years since the columbine massacre. friends and families of the victims as well as survivors attended a remembrance ceremony earlier overlooking the high school in littleton. visitors also have been leaving flowers and paying respects to the memorial. 12 students and one teacher were killed when two classmates opened fire. today's memorial marks the end of a three day period of services and projects honoring the victims. multiple fires set across paris as yellow vest protesters take the streets for the 23rd
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straight weekend. demonstrators using monday's fire at notre dame to bring attention to their message. they claim the government and donors are more focused on rebuilding the structure and ignoring the poor. i am jon scott, now back to "life, liberty and levin".♪ ♪ [music] >> byron york, they are making extraordinary demands, the house, of the present united states. the subpoena, they are trying to subpoena bank records. they are demanding information. which raises constitutional legal issues, constitutional issues because it is the president. separation because is also a citizen and he has rights. it's my belief if he doesn't give them everything they want, or if he interferes or
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intervenes and brings litigation, they will continue to threaten him with impeachment even though it is likely the endgame for the democrats or to hurt him in 2020. what do you think of that? >> impeachment and hurting him in 2020 are two different things. hurting him in 2020 guarantee they will try to do it but that's what a lot of this is about. impeachment is a double edge sword for them, there's no doubt that a lot of the base wants to see it. in the exit polls from the 2018 midterm elections, 77 percent percent of self identified democrats want to see them impeach the president. 11 democratic leadership enthusiasm for impeachment has gone down. because in the last day or two -- >> my last day or two is been going to basically since they began to suspect that the mueller report would be a dad as far as giving them some
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bombshell -- >> they think is a dad now with volume 2? >> are those always believed that they should go ahead with impeachment anyway because mueller would give them enough stuff. even though he wouldn't file criminal charges against the president. he would not indict the president. he would give them enough stuff to go forward. but you know, nancy pelosi has a thing, devised a system by which she and others, really the top leadership of democrats in the house, they talk about healthcare, the talk about how terrible trump taxes are and all that stuff. meanwhile the investigative chairman, elijah cummings, at the oversight committee and jerry nadler and the judiciary committee, adam schiff with the intelligence committee. they pursue this stuff and if they come up with something that they say is just almost
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will force their hand, make them impeach the president. that's one thing but i think basically, the strategy is to just damage the president as much as possible on a day-to-day basis because impeachment also think about impeachment, if they didn't now, they would be doing it in the midst of a presidential election. that has never happened before. it is almost an astonishing thing to think about. i'm not sure they want to do that. >> you think is all about 2020. not about impeachment. >> absolutely. >> basically, the american taxpayer, 63 million people are subsidizing the house of representatives during opposition research against the president of the united states. >> well, and robert mueller was a law enforcement arm of that effort. we've had republicans do a lot of investigating of democrats
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in the past, the whole hillary clinton, benghazi and all that. it is not like we've never seen congressional investigations that had a partisan tinge. but in this case, he did have a special prosecutor, you did have just, i think absolutely unprecedented media coverage for two years straight. >> let me tyrod this is different. then these other hearings. he wasn't even president of the united states when they were talking about impeaching him. >> right. he wasn't president of the united states when they were talking about indicting him. they've gone after his family. i see no parallels. even with aggressive republicans in the house and in the senate and so forth. i see no parallels. one of the reasons is the media would never go with the republicans. they are celebrating virtually every step of this. the media are not circumspect.
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they are wrong about this. they were wrong about collusion, the legal panelists were wrong about collusion. the express they brought, professors, former federal prosecutors, former watergate guys, they were all wrong. and yet, no accountability, no responsibility but the democrats know they are starting to be covered. now they move on to volume 2. obstruction. it wasn't the base of any investigation. i paged through this fairly significantly and i've gone through this, there is nothing new in here. why would a prosecutor, 200 pages on obstruction. basically, an incredibly long op-ed in the new york times if you want to know the truth. very little of it is redacted. the reason very little of it is reacted is very little relates to law enforcement. it relates to newspaper articles, erase the things the president said, it relates to things that we waived privilege. this is a long, for me, new
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york times op-ed. what troubles me and i think troubles a lot of people in the program is the injustice. they prosecutor can be held up as noble. this is not noble. if his name wasn't mueller and he wasn't special counsel and he issued something like this he would be disbarred, he would be fired. but because he is a special counsel investigating trump as a say is moses bringing down the tablets from mount sinai. the people are frustrated. do you think the other half of this how this came to be with the fbi, you think that is going to actually be investigated and will get to the bottom of that? >> it's such a huge question. first of all, some of it already has been. the reason we know the story behind the dossier is because of what devin nunes did when he was a chairman of the house intelligence committee. and there was a small group,
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nunez and jim jordan, meadows, radcliffe and trey gowdy who is now since left the house, they were never people looking into this. and so we have actually learned some stuff. it was through their efforts that we learned about the surveillance warrant for carter page and yet, we had that they are still significant parts of that warrant that have never been made public. and the president could declassify those and release the segments and the word always was that he did not do it because he was afraid if he did, robert mueller would accuse him of obstructing. >> also pursue this when we return. there's a whole chunk of this, subpoenas with testimony under oath, the grand jury and so forth. we will be right back. ♪
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happen. a prosecutor is not going to look into something that might undermine his own investigation. but republicans for two years did have control of the house and senate to look into it. found a fair amount of stuff. i mentioned what devin nunes had found out. and there's also an inspector general investigation in the justice department and as far as i can tell, the inspector general, michael horowitz, has a lot of respect from republicans. they feel he will do a thorough job it only in the confines of the inspector general. whatever the cia was doing for example, he can't find out. >> he can't go outside the department. >> exactly. >> he doesn't have subpoena power. >> correct. >> so he is limited. >> he did find a good deal about the hillary clinton investigation. so that looks like something promising. the most promising thing that could happen is that you have a new attorney general, bill
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barr, is actually interested in finding out about this stuff. >> he says he is. >> he does say he is, we will have to see. there are so many things in the mueller report. for example, look about the parts about george papadopoulos. i talked to papadopoulos for about an hour and and a half if you days ago. and you know, when it comes out that he will be only trump foreign policy team, people just start approaching him. people start approaching him so why does somebody approached him and say you need to meet this maltese professor who is then going to tell him that he knows a lot about russia and the russians have dirt on hillary clinton. >> people coming up to papadopoulos. doesn't make them curious about what's going on? we know that the fbi used a man named stefan halper.
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they wiretapped carter page and you think should we know more about how this got started? and cloak and dagger sort of way? and maybe, maybe bill barr will figure it out. >> so many in the media don't care. the senior level of the democrat party doesn't care. they are so set on getting the president of the united states, these are tactics, your infiltrating another campaign for really no reason. now we know there's absolutely no reason. you're trying to gin up the collision issue which is turned out to be a goose egg. which is really the big story. and the mentality of law enforcement used to work with and intelligence agencies, the fbi director and others, nobody puts the brakes on. and there seems to be absolutely no interest in this. in the new york times, the "washington post", associated -- all of the big media.
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i've never seen anything like this how can you explain? is it because they are the recipients of the leaks? is it because they are so ideologically partisan? that they just can't tolerate a president trump that they're willing to ignore these other things that are going on? or just dismiss them as the meandering of the right wing. there is a bias in the press but just things went on steroids and 2016. with trump and i think that it's a big part of it. because it is astonishing the degree to which everybody is very prestigious newsrooms thanks pretty much the same thing. about some of the stuff they are covering and they don't have that many rebels inside you say wait a minute, so groupthink is part of it there's also i think just a general level of hostility
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toward trump which they view is different from any hostility they may have felt toward george w. bush or anybody else. in us because they believe that he is morally deficient. he is unqualified to be president and if you talk to him, you can be talking to anything and they will bring up say charlottesville when the president said you know there are very fine people on both sides, very questionable interpretation of his remarks by the way. but that is the kind of thing that they cite. they think i think nothing is below trump so they are always suspicious. >> i think it's exactly right. in fact the new york times, a former correspondent, several years ago he wrote that. he said this president is different. so we have to be different. don't forget ladies and gentlemen, levin tv.
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this report, i assume the democratic candidates want to re t opposition research staff is pointing through the stuff. i have a question, do you think there also coordinate with the schiffs? as far as utility of the report, i'm not quite sure. if anything happened in the 2018 campaign. which is democratic candidates didn't talk about russia. they did not talk about trump russia, they did not bring up collision, they did not feel it was a winner for them. and i think the public you know, most people don't dig into the stuff. they're not going to read the report. they do not even read a ton of news reports. the concern of the felt the president had conspired with
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russia, they would be concerned about that and they would want to find out if it were true or not. and i think the message that they are going to get is no, the president did not conspire with russia. >> now what are they going to argue? to the people of america who are not necessarily living inside the belt. >> the president not clued but he obstructed? >> i've heard about this quite a lot. politically, this is a huge advantage for the president. , it has been proven there was no collusion. and now what you accuse me of obstructing an investigation into something that didn't happen? that is year, popularly, that is a pretty good argument. you can look up the cable news shows and you can say of course you can certainly charge someone with obstruction of justice without an underlying crime. and indeed you can.
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but i think most people do not see that is playing straight. >> isn't the answer not only, didn't he collude, i wasn't charged with anything. moreover, they spent $35 million on a report. and they use the fbi and they use the department of justice and they use the intelligence service to try and defeat me. and they didn't and i didn't do all those things. do you think the democrats are smart? i don't think they are. i think they are banging their heads against the wall. to think that nadler and schiff, i mean their eyeballs are popping out of their heads. they cannot control themselves. >> these guys, the nadler and schiff and to a lesser extent, cummings, they are the ones carrying this out. this is their job, they will push this and the question
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though, is all of the democrats elected to mass in 2018, they're going to run again in 2020. the ones that didn't talk about russia than other the was it told the democratic leadership they want to talk about real pocketbook issues, instead of russia. are they going to make a big deal out of it in 2020? my guess is, they won't for the simple reason that after a while, the american people will say, when asked a simple question, did collusion take place? they will say no. >> we will be right back. what?! i'm here to steal your car because, well, that's my job. what? what?? what?! (laughing) what?? what?! what?! [crash] what?! haha, it happens. and if you've got cut-rate car insurance, paying for this could feel like getting robbed twice. so get allstate...
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>> you will, and i think there will be significant questions to answer first of all, republicans who will want to get him to go over and over and over is finding of no collusion. what was that? no collusion -- yes. no collusion. so i think you'll see a lot of that. and i think this -- this idea of holding the president to a different standard on alleged obstruction of justice both in some very or after arcane legal arguments to consider trying to stretch the law. >> exactly. to somehow cover the president here and also in this idea that -- specifically saying that report that we do not exonerate him of obstruction of justice and what kind of standards is that? i mean, do you investigate a public official come out don't charge him with anything. >> not exonerating him l with
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anything. ask him about his hirings to ask him about his theft and leaked -- there's a thousand question es he e will be exposed to that hitherto he's not in a position where he's been required to answer. >> right and this is a good thing. this could not be more important in terms of a public matter. to see whole report and don't talk to me about grand jury and i understand the law but i did want radical transparency and we need to hear from robert mueller because, one party tried to use this to remove the president of the united states. there could not be anymore important thing and we need to know what happened. >> see you later on life liberty and levin. ♪ >> welcome to waters world i'm
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jesse waters understanding the mueller report that is a subject of tonight's waters words. the special counsel confirmed that the russian government sponsored efforts to illegally interfere with the 2016 presidential election. but did not find that the trump campaign or other americans colluded in those efforts. the report recounts ten episodes involving the president and discussing potential legal theories for connecting those activities to element of obstruction of offense. the deputy attorney general and i concluded that the evidence developed by the special counsel is not

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